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12 days ago
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belvedere
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How far is that target? I broke out the ole 44 this afternoon. I think I may hunt some next week with it.
12 days ago
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PISTOL AMMO

DTimm
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With the cooler weather its time to break out the shoulder rig.
Haven't shot it in nearly a year, gotta warm it up.

edited by DTimm on 11/30/2018
16 days ago
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PISTOL AMMO

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No, All I saw was this 8 sec. video! Here is the link to the thread. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?371767-Your-gun-is-broken
edited by ForumMonkey on 11/26/2018
17 days ago
Topic:
PISTOL AMMO

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Tomon, Any other info ? Pistol ? Caliber ?
18 days ago
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That thing looked like a 686 Smith and from what I have seen of the QC on the new Smiths I wouldn't have one on a bet. 5 or 6 years ago yes. The last two years no.
18 days ago
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PISTOL AMMO

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Either that or his timing is way off, lucky he still has that hand
18 days ago
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PISTOL AMMO

tomon
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I think this guy may want to rethink his handloads!
http://gifomania.club/img/user/gif/8/1/5/3/815391721288817.mp4
10/27/2018
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PISTOL AMMO

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It worked. And good to know.
On a added note. From experience. With some practice, You can hit at longer ranges than you would think with a snubbie. Because of the very short sight picture on a snubbie, A smooth trigger pull is a MUST. The short sight radius is very unforgiving .Easier to place shots using single action. patience and some practice will surely help with your all around pistol accuracy.
Start with larger targets.Ammo that groups well in the pistol. You'll be surprised what you can do.
I read a article decades ago on the subject of snubbies and accuracy, And quite frankly thought the guy was full of crap. He wasn't. I sure as hell was surprised. I'm not really sure of the sense of having a long range pistol fight ? But it could stop shit before it gets a chance to get going....
10/27/2018
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PISTOL AMMO

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Try it again. I think I fixed it, not sure but I think I did.
10/27/2018
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tomon
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The ballistics article isn't attached that I can discover.
10/26/2018
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PISTOL AMMO

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Snubbie Ballistics: .38 Special vs. .357 Magnum



https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2018/9/5/snubbie-ballistics-38-special-vs-357-magnum/?fbclid=IwAR3Y4SSu-Vh5k6NRdbI8CcYQTXmGkauX5gEG4Qn-3k3opMm0Ne1cuXi0V7o
edited by belvedere on 10/27/2018
10/23/2018
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PISTOL AMMO

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What the article says is pretty much the way I see it. I don't use much steel cased ammo, But It's normally in the rifles and pistols designed for it. Communist block weapons. With the exception of a G-3 I just started shooting steel cased ammo. The reason being ? This rifle has a fluted chamber, And pert much trashes brass......Why not steel ?
As of yet ? Not one problem with steel cased ammo. Been shooting it in AK's for years....
10/23/2018
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PISTOL AMMO

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I havent heard anything good with steel casings. I refuse to use them. Of course however, I know some people that use them because of the price and they say they never had a problem. So they say. I am not going to take that chance.
10/23/2018
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PISTOL AMMO

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My experience pretty much aligns with this story.
I've shot a lot of the Winchester steel case with no problems, but the Wolf brand I have has a thick sticky varnish that glues itself into the chamber resulting in a broken extractor.
10/23/2018
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PISTOL AMMO

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This is interesting.

Steel-Case Ammo: Bad For Your Gun?


https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2018/10/23/steel-case-ammo-bad-for-your-gun/?fbclid=IwAR21qKOgFzVMmDs7kg_v-0sx0ZTTrrmH-PEyYSPlIAIZPLSzyKCO1lE9AiA
6/15/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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I thought so but then again I don't shoot em air fancy bullets. Then again that might have been a good price on them. I didn't have any idea. I do know the 22's we did have to buy at 7 cents a round has dropped to 2 cents a round. Well 2.25 cents but still pretty close.
6/15/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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That's $136.70 a brick. Let me know if it goes on special. A bit too rich for my blood.
6/15/2018
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Depends on how many you want. Stockholder price is below. Shipping I don't know because right now I don't know if they will dropship for us. I'm still working on that.
ELEY MATCH 22LR 40GR. EPS 50 PACK
Item Number: A01100
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Available: 40447

$13.67
6/14/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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How much are these from Zanders by the brick?


ELEY MATCH 22LR 40GR. EPS 50 PACK
Item Number: A01100
Available: In stock
MSRP: $18.20
edited by tomon on 6/14/2018
6/12/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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No double, that girl was an Indian and her name was spread eagle.
6/11/2018
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Sounds like a girl I once knew.
6/9/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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I had to look it up! I once knew it, but forgot. upset
6/9/2018
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OK that makes sense. Thank you. Now I know something I didn't know before.
6/9/2018
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Extreme Spread.... That is within a test group of ammo the difference in speed between the slowest and the fastest.
6/9/2018
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I was reading this about short barrels and 357's and looking at the comparison of different bullets what in the hell does ES mean?

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/04/ruger-lcrx-revolver-357-magnum-self-defense-gun/
4/25/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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Tomon, You mean all I have to do is Yell " STOP" In a commanding voice ? WTF !!! You mean I spent all these decades and money on firearms , And this is all I needed to do ?
Man......Do I feel foolish......How could I have been so blind.
I think the locals are carrying Airsoft....................
4/23/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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The main problems with brewing your own bullets is if you shoot someone with one, the litigation is on! You created a deadlier bullet as opposed to the factory ones designed to just tell the attackers to "Cease and Desist". wink Multiple groups tell you to check what the locals carry in their guns, and mimic them! Better hope you don't got Barney Fife local!
4/22/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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I'm thinking that there are some major changes in powder burn rates or manufacture techniques that we are not aware of. I've noticed some claims being made on cartridges that by common sense dimension comparisons should not be possible.
One being the 375 Ruger/ 375 H&H ..... They claim faster or equal feet per second when shooting a 375 Ruger, 22 inch barrel, As opposed to a 24' 375 H&H.
I don't know if I'm buying this. But, As I have both rifles and a chronograph ? When I get the time, I'll test for myself. PROVIDED I can find the same bullet grain weight loaded ammo. And that may be the issue.

Another point on comparisons of calibers I wonder about is at what point is fps/fpe combination considered terminal ? We all know not to trust our lives to a 25 acp or a 32 acp handgun no matter how handy and concealable they might be.And a 380 may or may not work depending heavily on ammo choice. There has been argument for years weather the 380 has enough fps to allow a hollow point to function. I'll shoot FMJ as I've never seen jacketed soft points for a 380
But yet a 30 cal Tokarev is considered over penetrating. But, Until recently, You could not find jacketed soft points or hollow point ammo. Now that this ammo is available ? The Tokarev, I feel, Makes a viable self defense hand gun. Pretty ? They ain't, But they damn well function.
On the other hand ? I know for a fact that a 22 hollow point will NOT kill a thicker skulled breed of hog. Where a 22 solid will kill it stone dead. But yet the hollow point will kill cattle and other breeds of hogs without question. The 25 and 32 acp ? Are completely useless.
My point being, They claim thick clothing and other variables will cause a hollow point to fail.
Screw it, I'll use a jacketed soft point. I've been looking at manufacturing my own bullets. They equipment has been around for years, And a person could custom manufacture the softness/hardness of the core lead to use in jacketed bullets.
What it boils down to ? I trust very little of these tests as these tests are based on a unrealistic test medium. When was the last time you saw or shot a gelatin creature. Bone is a reality, And there is none in this test medium......Flawed results.
I think the heaviest jacketed soft point will achieve the best results possible in any given situation, But sure as hell can't make up for poor shooting............ Neither can 30 cartridges in your pistol...........
4/22/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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You would be surprised. I found a comparison between fp, velocity and barrel length ( I can't find it now of course to put on here) and a 357 only varies maybe 150 to 200 fps between a 6 inch barrel and a 2 inch barrel. I was always under the incorrect assumption that a 357 had to have at least 6 inches to burn all the powder to be effective and shooting a 2 inch barrel was about the same as shooting a 38+p. I was wrong so I'm going to 357 on all my small carry revolvers. It will make a helluva muzzle flash but no loss in velocity or muzzle energy. On a carry gun and at ranges of 21 feet or less I don't think 150 to 200 lbs is gonna make a whole lot of difference and I can always use 38's to punch holes in paper if I want.
4/21/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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I had to take my revolver out and look what I had in it! RP 125gr JHP. As you say, I don't expect much expansion or speed out of a 1 7/8th inch barrel.
4/21/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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Myself Tomon ? I'm going back to old school. If I can.......I'm partial to your basic jacketed soft points. Problem is ? They are getting harder to find.
In some calibers ? Full metal jacket. Just for the plain fact that some of the smaller calibers will NOT have the power to expand a hollow point bullet. 380 comes to mind.
I don't trust ballistic gel tests for one reason. I've never shot a boneless animal, And bone will have a MAJOR effect on penetration and expansion and bullet performance. Heavy clothing, and other variables, Seem to make ballistic gel tests suspect to me .
Just my opinion. I think too much is put on bullet performance and not enough on shot placement and marksmanship.............
4/21/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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These would work well for my wife's S&W model 37 Chiefs Airweight. It's one of the old Alloy frames that doesn't take too much abuse!
https://store.allguntalk.com/premium-38-special-110gr-jhp
For my Model 637, which is +P rated, maybe these!
https://store.allguntalk.com/fed-hydra-shok-38-p-129gr-hp-20-50
While their newest latest greatest are these.....

P38HST1S38 Special +P130890HST®0.14Personal Defense® HST






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4/21/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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Belve, Self Defense ? Hunting ?
4/19/2018
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We got these. These are in the feed we have in the store. We have 8 other distributors that are not feeding into the store. I will look on them and see what they have.

https://store.allguntalk.com/hvy-357mag-140gr-barnes-xpb-20
edited by belvedere on 4/19/2018
4/19/2018
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PENETRATION OF BULLETS

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Do we have any in the store?
4/19/2018
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I don't know but from looking at the charts I think I am going to start shooting 125gr Buffalo Bore Barnes bullets or 140gr Federal Vital Shock XPB in my short 357's. I penetrates well expands to .72 and .67 respectively and looks like it wouldn't over penetrate. I'll have to get me some and see how my short revolvers like it.
4/19/2018
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belvedere wrote:
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/


Wow that's to technical for me hurts my brain, just tell me the best ammo
4/19/2018
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https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/
3/2/2018
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That will work thanks.
3/2/2018
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http://ammoclip.com/S/smith_and_wesson_main.htm
3/2/2018
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Will a mag that's listed as a 5900/915 fit and work in a Smith Wesson 59? I got a guy looking for mags. Any Y'all know about this?
2/22/2018
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AMMO OF THE FUTURE

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EVERYONE, !!! AMMO IS GOING TO SPIKE AGAIN. CALL /EMAIL PAUL/BELVEDERE TO BUY CHEAP RIGHT NOW. I am watching the trends and ammo is starting to climb rapidly....... You can still get it cheap if you act NOW.! .22 FROM .5 CENTS~~~~~ TO .28-29 CENTS FOR .223. act quickly...... We are getting ready for "ACT TWO" of the ripoff....... WALI..............
2/17/2018
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AMMO OF THE FUTURE

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belvedere wrote:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/02/15/us-army-is-looking-for-novel-combustible-cartridge-cases-for-next-generation-small-arms-ammunition/

US Army is Looking For Novel Combustible Cartridge Cases for Next Generation Small Arms Ammunition


That would be dumb!! Now have to come up with entirely new weapons to fire theses bullets. There worried about them not being toxic ( imagine that gun made for killing can’t fire toxic ammo ) Why don’t we all just switch to light sabers and be done with it.
2/16/2018
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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/02/15/us-army-is-looking-for-novel-combustible-cartridge-cases-for-next-generation-small-arms-ammunition/

US Army is Looking For Novel Combustible Cartridge Cases for Next Generation Small Arms Ammunition
2/5/2018
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bolt question

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No problems here, I've seen people get locked on to a certain firearm, Get an idea, And lose sight of safety and reason. I've done it myself more than once. At one time I myself considered one of these shotguns for a special purpose slug gun. Gave it up because I could find better and cheaper options.
Happy to help....
2/5/2018
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I agree with all you said KRP. I even asked the fellow with the gun if it was 2 9/16 chamber. He told me he had put 200 rounds of 2 3/4 through it. Not that that makes it a 2 3/4, but that might be what cracked the lug. However, it was just a conversation about this item with these fellers and I did tell them I wouldnt fix it personally. I realize that they hold no collectors value , I guess I needed some verification on my side of the story. So, thanks for the input guys.
2/4/2018
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Well , I looked at the You Tube AFTER I posted. Pretty much the same points made. But I stand by this. If the lug is cracked ? Something SERIOUS has happened to this shotgun at some point.
I'll stick by my opinion that at this point it's dangerous. Welding the lug will only increase that danger. And I would give the action a serious inspection BEFORE wasting money on trying to fix it.
You notice he does not advocate the use of current shotgun loads........
2/4/2018
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bolt question

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Double, Mauser book states that most of the receiver ring was removed. Making the forward lugs pretty much useless. The bolt Tomon posted looks to be correct. From the descriptions I've read.
My point on the pressure is.. That at the time of this conversion, I think most barrels were of mild steel or Damascus. So the shotgun would have been engineered for those pressures. WWI Era.
These shotguns have no collectors value as they were conversions. (Bubba Jobs) And I sure as hell wouldn't shoot it after it's been welded with modern ammo. Besides the Germans had just lost the war and were shipping these to the U.S.
NOTE THIS......Much European shotgun ammo is NOT standard US calibration. Diameter is, But Length of cartridge varies.
NOTE THIS......Chambers are bored to accommodate the crimp length of the shell. When you fire a 3" shell in a 2 3/4 " chambered shotgun ? The crimp creates a reduction in bore diameter as the shot column is leaving the shell. THIS IS A MAJOR PRESSURE SPIKE !!! People do this all the time, Then wonder why their shotgun is screwed up.
My point being...This could be a 2 9/16 12 gauge. I know the European countries have some screwy shell lengths. I have run into this personally on a Browning A-5.
This could be the reason the lug cracked in the first place. I would proceed with EXTREME CAUTION !!! The combination of a higher pressure shell, In a short bored chamber, Could get real ugly.
And quite simply ? This firearm isn't worth it..........
2/4/2018
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bolt question

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27q22WxzYH8
2/4/2018
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These 12 gauges were made from 8 mm 98s. A new bolt face was made to slide in the forward hole.Actually, I dont think the front locking lugs were removrd. Since the chamber had to be modified, they just arent used except in the 20 gauge where a little was left just because of spacing.
As far as pressure KRP, The 8 mm would have about 3 times the pressure as a 12 gauge. The bolt guide rib is still intact. The ejector bar rides on this rib. Tom, that pic is what the bolt looks like.

I personally would not do a weld job, but replace.




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